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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 9:32:40 GMT -6
Hey,
would you kindly give permission to rework Great House Dagoth?
Cheers
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Post by The Mad God on Jan 11, 2023 18:57:31 GMT -6
Hey, would you kindly give permission to rework Great House Dagoth? Cheers I'm not sure I understand the question. Rework how? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 11:04:46 GMT -6
Open permission for bugfixing, using LUA too. Basically making the mod more "solid", especially with the transformation [/span] I have a couple of questions if you don't mind: 1) I know it's been a very long time, but do you think you could ever write more? I'm sad that after crashing the prison moon over vivec city, there is nothing left to do, especially considering Tribunal and Bloodmoon. And I know that the only person able to come with convincing writing on these expansions if Dagoth Ur lives, is you. Beside, Nerevar could also tap in the heart of Lorkhan. I'm sure there would be consequences for that [/span] 2) Are you supposed to use "The Tribe Unmourned" with your mod? It's this mod: www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/23357 I didn't use it, because there are no references on the readme, so I guess the answer is probably no. |
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Post by The Mad God on Jan 12, 2023 18:43:33 GMT -6
You're welcome to try bug fixes if you like.
I should warn you, I didn't write the scripts for the transformations. As I mention in the readme file, the transformation code was taken from Cortex's Scripted Spells mod, used with permission. I don't actually know how it works except in the vaguest sense.
As to your questions, I stopped where I did for a reason. The point at which the mod ends is the point at which you don't have anyone else telling you what to do. At that point, you're a god with effectively unlimited authority, and you get to decide what that means. There is a degree of freedom implied with that status, which wasn't well suited to the quest style of gameplay Morrowind has. I actually made an attempt at writing a godhood mod prior to Great House Dagoth, set after Tribunal, involving turning Sotha Sil's corpse into a power source, expanding the Nerevarine cult, treating with the other gods, etc, and the failures of that project informed the decisions I made about Great House Dagoth's endgame.
As to dependencies, I don't think The Tribe Unmourned was even a thing when I made Great House Dagoth, and I've never even played it. I hear good things from people who've played them together in the years since, but I can't speak to how well it works personally.
I took some pains to make Great House Dagoth as standalone as possible. Even the Tribunal expansion is not required for it to work. The Bloodmoon expansion is required, because of some of the scripting elements from Scripted Spells.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 9:38:30 GMT -6
it’s sad to hear you had a scrap that mod because it sounds interesting, but given what we got, I don’t think the deal was that bad. I honestly wonder myself what would be the reaction of Almalexia if Dagoth Ur was still alive, or you had actually tapped the heart. I feel like there is room for “content”, but personally, I wouldn’t even know where to begin if I had to write it myself. Sadly, I don’t have the skills. I had to register to ask you. By the way, I know so much time has passed but I would like to ask you to consider writing an expansion for GHD. Don’t think about scripting and the rest, only the story and the dialogue and the writing. For all the rest leave it to others  |
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Post by The Mad God on Jan 13, 2023 19:09:42 GMT -6
it’s sad to hear you had a scrap that mod because it sounds interesting, but given what we got, I don’t think the deal was that bad. I honestly wonder myself what would be the reaction of Almalexia if Dagoth Ur was still alive, or you had actually tapped the heart. I feel like there is room for “content”, but personally, I wouldn’t even know where to begin if I had to write it myself. Sadly, I don’t have the skills. I had to register to ask you. By the way, I know so much time has passed but I would like to ask you to consider writing an expansion for GHD. Don’t think about scripting and the rest, only the story and the dialogue and the writing. For all the rest leave it to others Dagoth Ur might be alive when you play through the Tribunal expansion unmodded. He frequently was in my games even before Great House Dagoth just because dealing with everything in Mornhold in one go involved less travel time than the Hortator challenges in the main quest, so I finished Mornhold first. Almalexia is both out of touch due to isolating herself in the preceeding years, and actively trying to get you killed, so I doubt much would change in Tribunal with you being a member of Great House Dagoth. Might be worth its own topic in the lore subforum.
Central to the issue of me trying to write an expansion is that what happens next really is going to be unique to your character. Who did you kill and who did you spare? What are your ambitions and vision for what Morrowind should be going forward? Everyone will have their own answers, and accomodating all those answers just doesn't work.
Even giving as many options as I did for the ending of Great House Dagoth was a writing challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2023 8:21:36 GMT -6
You write "What are your ambitions and vision for what Morrowind should be going forward?" Should these come from you only? Because if I don’t remember wrong, if you kill Dagoth Ur, the advisors of the house still ask you to crash Bao Dur. I think the phase concerning you and the “gods” is ended, but now the path that lies ahead is all concerning the prosperity of the sixth house. Personally, it would be cool to find how you use your “newfound” powers and see what’s the project that lies ahead for the house. More than asking yourself or justifying yourself on why you’ve done that or another thing. I understand your point of view. It's just feels like the ending is so sudden. And there is so much more that you could be doing. Especially if dagoth ur is alive |
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Post by The Mad God on Jan 15, 2023 10:34:23 GMT -6
You write "What are your ambitions and vision for what Morrowind should be going forward?" Should these come from you only? Because if I don’t remember wrong, if you kill Dagoth Ur, the advisors of the house still ask you to crash Bao Dur. I think the phase concerning you and the “gods” is ended, but now the path that lies ahead is all concerning the prosperity of the sixth house. Personally, it would be cool to find how you use your “newfound” powers and see what’s the project that lies ahead for the house. More than asking yourself or justifying yourself on why you’ve done that or another thing. I understand your point of view. It's just feels like the ending is so sudden. And there is so much more that you could be doing. Especially if dagoth ur is alive Great House Dagoth has multiple endings. Crashing the moon into Vivec's palace is one of them. Another is joining the Tribunal and reigning as a god-king alongside Vivec after you've betrayed Dagoth Ur.
Likewise, when you get in contact with Caius, you have the option to declare your loyalty and get the papers given to you, kill him and take them off his corpse, or drag him back to your crater citadel and torture him for the information he has.
There is no one project that lies ahead for Great House Dagoth. Maybe you're a true friend of the Empire who's betrayed Dagoth Ur and the new project is reintegrating House Dagoth into conventional politics, building trade alliances with the other houses, choosing a representative to the Grand Council, etc. Maybe you're a loyal follower of Dagoth Ur and the next project is spreading the blight further and converting all the dunmer into ash creatures. Maybe you're a power-hungry traitor to all sides who's declared himself the one true god, and want your next project to be stomping out all the compeeting cults and wiping out the influence of other gods in Morriwind.
Including all these options was too much, which is why it ended when it did.
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